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Sharanagati

Collected words from talks of Swami Tirtha




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(from a lecture of Swami Tirtha, May 2013, Sofia)
 
(continues from the previous Friday)
 
Question of Giridhari: Maharaj, my question is a bit complicated; you mentioned about analyzing that can kill our faith. The Lord had said Himself – I think in Bhagavad Gita 5.4 – that whatever path one chooses, analytical or mystical, he will achieve the results of both. We know two types of knowledge – empirical, primitive, that is helpful in the limits of our specific needs; and analytical that allows us to know the nature of things and to make forecast for the future. My impression is these kinds of knowledge enhance each other and it’s something like an upward spiral. And Krishna says that the fallen yogi still makes progress. It’s not a vicious circle, it’s a sort of progressive circle. 
Swami Tirtha: No problem, we can use our intellect properly. I never said: exclude your mind. We should include our mind in the spiritual search. But somehow intellect is not the ultimate instrument of our approach. This is only what I wanted to stress. 
Giridhari: Yes, I understand. Is it that the knowledge itself is what hinders us? Like if I know Ekadashi gives good results, this can be an excuse for me to misbehave and rely on it to purify me. Is the problem in the knowledge, or in the way we misuse the knowledge?
Swami Tirtha: Most probably the second. 
Giridhari: I believe that the knowledge itself is not hindering us. Prabhupad is giving us knowledge. 
Swami Tirtha: Try to understand properly my words. If I say knowledge, maybe this is not the jnana itself, definitely this is not the brahma-jnana or atma-jnana, divine knowledge. This is the conditioning that we all have: ‘With my understanding, with my brain I know.’ This is training. But we cannot embrace our brother or our beloved one theoretically – this is the point. So, in that sense theory, intellect, etc. etc. – this is not the ultimate way of approach. And this is not a bad word about jnana, the knowledge; this is a glorification of prema, of bhakti. So we should ourselves understand, and try to show to others that by divine dedication a different layer of reality can be reached. With material knowledge we shall achieve material results; with divine knowledge we can achieve liberation, divine achievement; but with pure hearted dedication we can achieve love of Godhead. Different results are there. 
Giridhari: Thank you! My next question is why do we forget, why don’t we learn from our mistakes? 
Swami Tirtha: The impression is there. Before you said that even the fallen yogi will come up again and learn. So, the positive and the negative impressions are all there, maybe not in your open consciousness, but in a subconscious way, as a shadow it follows the soul. Yet one thing is for sure – with karma we cannot overcome the burden of karma. Or by the help of the material gunas we cannot overcome the gunas. But by dedication, surrendering ourselves under the divine protection it is possible. This is the point. 
Practically we are all in a long, long learning process. And in this process of learning – as it looks like an intellectual process – forgetfulness is the main element. Because we have to forget about all the stupid conditionings that we have. So, we worship forgetfulness. We worship the divine madness. Please try to understand properly. When we come to a knowledgeable platform brahma-jnana, we see everything as it is. And then you might see that God is great, because He is God. But then again we must make a puja to forgetfulness. Because as we are very insignificant subordinates of this divine kingdom, the king is very far away on a high throne and we are here, very isolated from him – until we are conscious about His greatness and His position and our position. But how can you play football with a king? No way! While the prince is climbing on the back of the king, right? Because ‘He is not a king! He is my dear father! So, I can ride on his back as on a horse.’ Can you do that if you are conscious about He’s being a king, or being God? You cannot do that. So, divine forgetfulness is a very important principle. Uddhava is ready to forget about his sakhya position n Dwaraka in order to become a neutral participant in Vrindavana. 

 



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