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Collected words from talks of Swami Tirtha


(from a lecture of Swami Tirtha, May 2013, Sofia)

(continues from the previous Friday) 

Suppose a disciple takes his next birth in a particular country or a particular sect. The Guru may also appear in a particular country or a particular sect, but that the disciple will again come exactly in the same position as before – that may not be. And that the Guru will also come as he did previously, in that fixed position – that also may not be. Still they will be able to recognize one another. The Guru will know about the disciple’s previous life, and the disciple will also think, ‘He knows everything about me.’ With such broadness of vision we are to look at our Guru Maharaj. So, guru-tattva means it is sakshad dharitvena: not only the person, but the person plus something more.” Sakshad means ‘directly’, hari – ‘arranged by Hari’. It’s a divine connection. ”And that arrangement is made by the Lord or His svarupa-shakti. But whatever the external circumstance, there will be no disturbance regarding the path for the disciple.”[1]

Does it make any sense for you? I think it’s very substantial. What does it mean? The story goes on two different levels. One is the external platform, where we act like gurus and like disciples. But the other, the internal story is going on permanently. So, something divine is hidden here. Therefore we should approach this topic with the utmost care. Because something very important is hidden here. Maybe you have some questions?

Question of Kripadham: Does it mean that guru-tattva itself is a person in the same way as guru is a person? Because it comes from svarupa-shakti

Swami Tirtha: It was mentioned that this is under the protection of either God or His svarupa-shakti. So, you can decide which rasa you want to enter. Because then you have to select your guru accordingly. For a general rasa you can have God’s given guru-tattva. For a special rasa you have to obtain a guru from svarupa-shakti.

Kripadham: So, if a guru leaves and we remain on this material platform, practically the possibility for him to come, exactly that personality to come back for us is very minimal.

Swami Tirtha: Yes! But you can go with him!

Kripadham: But in case it happens that the disciple is not much surrendered and respectively he cannot follow the guru, guru somehow manifests – it doesn’t matter if on the moon or somewhere else – and the disciple again recognizes him. And you said the guru will also recognize the disciple.

Swami Tirtha: ‘Hey, again this guy – no! Save me, God!’

Yamuna: But for the disciple it will be: “Again my guru!”

Swami Tirtha: ‘Again, I can suck his blood!’

Yamuna: Maharaj, we have very different views of the same situation.

Swami Tirtha: Depends on the side.

Kripadham: So, I am asking, then what is it that is recognizing, if that’s not the same person? Who recognizes who?

Swami Tirtha: We have to differentiate between our personality and our identity. Personality might change, because it is a part of the false ego. You build it up, you expand it according to your experience, according to your desires, etc. So it is changeable. But the identity doesn’t change. This is our real ego, our real self and the real connection should be established on that platform. Because that changeable personality is practically made up of memories and impressions. But our real identity is made up of spiritual substance. And there on that platform connections are eternal. On the material or mental platform they are changeable. Therefore I said the story goes on two levels. One is the external, which changes from time to time; and one is the essential, which doesn’t change.

So, we can say that guru-tattva is an invitation of God: “Come back to Me!” And that will not change. It’s a permanent invitation. And if you are connected to that principle, if you connect to that divine energy, you cannot go there simply with your body; you have to go there with you essence, with your atma.

(to be continued)


[1] From The Golden Staircase, Chapter 2 by Shrila Shridhar Maharaj


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