Collected words from talks of Swami Tirtha

Question of Damodar: I have four questions and I am not sure whether I have to ask them all. First: what is Bhakti?

Tirtha Maharaj: What is Bhakti? I do not know! I have no idea. So what is the second?

Damodar: What is the main difference between the worship of Vishnu andKrishna?

Tirtha Maharaj: You can give up the worship of Krishna, but you can never give up the worship of Vishnu. Why!? Because Vishnu will never frustrate you. Whenever you ask something, He will take note and take care. But Krishna is different type. He invites you and then He sends you home. He tells you: “Just join Me, join My campaign and you will be happy,” then you join the campaign and where is your happiness? He has very special type of approach, because He is always testing. And He is removing all the obstacles, removing all the attachments that you have. But all. All those that you like so much – even those will be removed from you. Therefore some of His devotees become frustrated. And when they get an invitation from the Bright Goddess instead of the Dark Lord, they are ready to give up that service. Which never happens to Vishnu with His worshipers. Nobody is leaving the service of Vishnu. But some are leaving the service ofKrishna – for the sake of the service of Radha.

Maybe that was a little complicated explanation. But you were asking me a deep question, so I had to give a deep answer.

Damodar: Maybe the third question will be even deeper.

Tirtha Maharaj: Go ahead!

Damodar: What is Lord Chaitanya’s place amongst Vishnu andKrishna?

Tirtha Maharaj: He is not included in that list. Because in His personality the split personality of divinity is united again. You know what is the meaning of Goura. Govinda Radhe. He is uniting. He is unification God, we can say. He is that special aspect that the two separate entities Radha and Krishna are searching for each other. And when Their search becomes so intensive, They become so close, that practically They merge – this is Chaitanya. We can say He is a double incarnation, double avatar. And you can see these two personalities working in Him. Outside He is a monk, following very strictly all the rules and regulations. But inside He is like a gopi. Whenever He is in His ecstatic meditation mood, He is just joining the eternal dance of Krishna. And when He returns back to the normal state of consciousness, then He again acts like a male human being. So this is a very delicate aspect of understanding Godhead. But it is said: when the search of Krishna after Himself becomes extremely intensive – then this is the time for Chaitanya to come.

You should read this beautiful book “In search of the ultimate goal of life”[1] where Mahaprabhu is discussing with Ramananda Raya. Mahaprabhu is also very good in playing chess, just like Krishna. Because He is starting with: “Can you tell me something about the goal of life?” Starting the story at Adam and Eve. What does He want to hear? He wants to hear the supreme tattva. He is not at all interested in the initial answers of Ramananda Raya: “Worship God – this is the goal of human life.” He said: “All right, but this is a little superficial, go deeper! What is your next offer?” And from time to time Ramananda goes deeper, he comes with some next offer. And always quotes the shastras. Mahaprabhu is still not satisfied: “Is there something more that you can add?” And ultimately Ramananda says: “Yes, there is one more step, but then I cannot quote the shastras.” And he starts to give the answer, but then Mahaprabhu is just stopping him: “If you cannot quote the shastras, do not tell the truth!” From this we can understand that the real truth is beyond shastra. It is not revealed, it is not written. The highest aspect of truth is not written in books. It is alive! This depends on your realization – how close you could come to divinity. It has nothing to do with some theories contained in the books.

This is Chaitanya’s position – the ultimate divine unifying aspect of male and female, black and white, Radha andKrishna. God is a He, Goddess is a She. Sometimes They are separate, sometimes They are together. Fourth question?


(to be continued)


[1] By A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

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